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Date: Wed, January 15, 2014 8:50 am     (answered 16 January 2014)
From: "john f."
Subject: AA rejection

Are there any studies/surveys you can recommend that list reasons so many new-comers drop our or never start AA? I believe it is due to Christianity taking even more control of AA, but would like to see if there is evidence for that.
thanks,
john f.

Hello John,

Thanks for a fascinating question. Unfortunately, I don't have a fascinating answer. I don't know of any study or survey that investigated why people quit A.A.

I imagine that there are a lot of different reasons for people quitting A.A. Different people are put off by different things.

And the "Christianity" issue is confused and unclear. It really depends on what you think the word "Christianity" means. Not every religious fanatic or dogmatic fundamentalist or evangelist is a Christian. Some of them are very unChristian, more like Nazis or Satan-worshippers.

Some people actually quit A.A. because A.A. is not Christian enough (in the good sense of Christian morals). They are offended by everything from the totem-worshipping "any Higher Power" theology to sexual exploitation of newcomer girls to the "gimme-gimme" Santa-Claus spirituality of the nutcases who think that they can get everything they want by praying.

I know that other people have quit A.A. because of abusive dominant local leaders, sexual predators, thieving con artists, mindless slogan-slingers, and dangerous crazies, and of course the criminals whom the judges sentence to A.A. meetings.

And then some people found that A.A. just didn't help them to stay sober. Other people found that A.A. was making them feel worse. And others quit when they realized that A.A. was just a repackaged old cult religion that actually had nothing to do with drinking alcohol. And then there are the unfortunate people who quit A.A. by dying after their sponsor told them not to take their medications.

The A.A. horror stories tell of a lot of different reasons for people quitting A.A.

Have a good day now.

== Orange

*             orange@orange-papers.info        *
*         AA and Recovery Cult Debunking      *
*          http://www.Orange-Papers.org/      *
**     "It finally dawned on me that just because one's motive
**     isn't money doesn't mean one's motive isn't selfish.
**     (There is more than one form of profit.)"
**        ==  Janet S.

BLOG NOTE: 2014.01.17:

The Orange Papers is changing hosts. I'm finally getting this web site off of Hostmonster.com, because of their terrible and dishonest service. It turns out that Hostmonster is an overseller, meaning that they promise you the moon to get you to sign up with them, and then they break all of their promises after they get you. Which means that Hostmonster is to web hosting sort of what A.A. is to recovery.

And Hostmonster "oversells" their services in the sense of they overload their server machines by putting more customers on a machine than the machine can properly handle. Thus the web pages get served out very slowly when several web sites get busy. People find themselves waiting and waiting for a page to load. And the forum and email are even worse. And then, even more worse, their technicians are incompetent and break things while "fixing" things. I've gone several days at a time being unable to access my email.

Then it turns out that the positive endorsements that attracted me to Hostmonster were paid for. That is, they bribe people to say good things about Hostmonster. It's all a racket and a fraud.

By the way, Hostmonster.com, Bluehost.com, and FastDomain.com are all the same company, and their major claim to fame is that they got a patent on a new technique for throttling user accounts and limiting the number of CPU cycles that the users can get. That is so that they can put more users on a machine and no one user gets more than a certain number of cycles. Thus everybody runs equally slowly.

Then, when you complain that things aren't working right, the wage slaves at the Hostmonster "help line" are required to read scripts that say that everything looks fine at their end, so I must be having network problems at my end. The scripts also tell customers that the reason their cgi-bin or Wordpress sites are running slowly is because the customer's scripts are "inefficient", and if the customer would just fix his scripts, things would run faster. That is a lie.

Then, Hostmonster recommends that you buy a more expensive hosting contract on a "premium" machine if you want your web site to be fast.

If you want to learn more, you can google Hostmonster.com reviews. Especially see:

• http://www.schiffner.com/11-excruciating-months-with-hostmonster-have-come-to-an-end/

• http://www.web-hosting-top.com/review/hostmonster.com

• Also see the Wikipedia page on throttling.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwidth_throttling
  It says, among other things: "Bandwidth throttling ... can be used to ... gain additional revenue by compelling users on to more expensive pricing schemes where bandwidth is not throttled." That is exactly what Hostmonster does.

== Orange

January 05, 2014, Sunday, Fernhill Wetlands: Bald Eagles Oh yes! Guess who is back? I am hoping for another Eagle chick this year. I am ready with a 5.25-inch Meade reflecting telescope for some real telephoto shots. The Eagles' Nest, and the pair of Eagles Notice how the Eagles' nest is built in a tree with a very unusual 7-way fork. The nest is securely supported on all sides. No way is it going to just suddenly fall out of the tree, or get blown out by a windstorm. I don't think even an earthquake would dislodge that nest. The Eagles know what they are doing when they build a nest. The Bald Eagle Pair The Bald Eagle Pair [More gosling photos below, here.]

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Date: Thu, January 16, 2014 6:45 am     (answered 18 January 2014)
From: "Nathan A."
Subject: Hi

Just curious. Why do u dislike AA so much? Also, what treatment course would u recommend?
Thanks, Nathan A.

Hello Nathan,

Thanks for the questions. I hope you are doing well.

First off, I dislike A.A. because it is a fraud. It is just quack medicine. It is an old cult religion from the nineteen-thirties that pretends to be a cure for alcohol addiction.

Imagine how you would feel if your mother or your sister was sick with cancer and you discovered that the doctor that she was going to was a fraud who never went to medical school and he was just selling some old quack cures from the nineteen-thirties. Wouldn't you dislike him a little bit as she got sicker and sicker and he just kept grinning and saying, "Just take more of the medicine."

A.A. (and N.A.) actually do a great deal of harm. See these lists of letters that I have received about A.A. and N.A. and Al-Anon:

1. A.A. Horror Stories
2. A.A. "No Meds" Stories
3. A.A. Suicides
4. Stories of the Midtown Group of Alcoholics Anonymous
5. Stories about Clancy Imusland's Pacific Group. And the Atlantic Group, Foxhall Group, Badger Group, and Nursery...

== Orange

*             orange@orange-papers.info        *
*         AA and Recovery Cult Debunking      *
*          http://www.Orange-Papers.org/      *
**     Wonderful little our fathers knew,
**     Half their remedies cured you dead —
**     Most of their teaching was quite untrue.
**       ==  Rudyard Kipling, Our Fathers of Old, Stanza 3

[The next letter from Nathan_A is here.]

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Date: Jan 11     (answered 18 January 2014)
From: paul r.

I stumbled across some of your content and was struck with some observations. You are intelligent and articulate and have an obvious flare for research, but your use of derogatory and aggressive terms towards others with whom you disagree taint the credibility of your work and actually emulate the very traits you attribute to others. I am not attacking, I am giving you an honest assessment and I hope a helpful one.

I am just a man, like you. I have no definite answers. I struggled with questions of purpose faith and destiny. I was a skeptic. But it came down to this simple question with regard to all the fuss in our world about God and religion....Is God a reality or not? I approached that question with an open mind, and tried a "spiritual experiment" because if God is real He exists in the Spirit, and I had to try to be in that medium in order to explore the issue. I examined the evidence for and against God, and logically and intellectually determined there was enough evidence for the possible existence of God that it was worth doing the experiment. The critical realization was that if God is the biggest fallacy of all time, perpetrated by ....(I could not really imagine who would be the perpetrator, that was part of what led to my ultimate conclusions)....then human life has no purpose or meaning but is a cosmic accident and I am destined to culminate my life as being worm food and nothing more. If however, God does exist, then somehow connecting with and maintaining ongoing and constant communication with that God would be the most important thing any person could do. So the experiment began. I tried to bring my spiritual aspect of myself into focus, I tried to "pray" to think in my mind about God as a creator of all things, and to talk to Him, in my mind, as if he were real, openly saying to the God I did not know if He was there or not, that I was doubtful at best but open to his reality if He was in fact real, and I asked Him to somehow communicate with me or touch me in some way that would confirm for me that He existed. The key for me was to do this with an open mind like any good scientific experiment dictates. One cannot do a true experiment without allowing for and accepting the results to speak for themselves. One must have a hypothesis of course,the question is the reason for the experiment, but it must be a question not a pre determined and assumed outcome that is sought. Some of the most remarkable discoveries of all time were results that were contrary to the initial hypothesis, and I had to be willing to accept what results were manifest from my "spiritual experiment".

I conducted this experiment on a daily basis, first thing in the morning, spiritually reaching out to "God", sending out messages hoping for a sign of spiritual life to return, and I did the same just before going to sleep at night. Maybe 5 minutes or so at each session. I resolved to do this for at least 2 weeks, but made the concession that I must be diligent, and if I broke the chain of sessions as described, I had to start over, just like I had to start a chemistry experiment over if I messed up the protocol along the way.

I have taken a good amount of time writing this up for you but I am going to stop here without describing my results. I think it would be quite interesting for you and I to compare results and I do not want to influence you in any way. This is not a pitch, it is a challenge to you to do something outside the box, and regardless of the outcome, you will benefit from the exercise and experience.

I hope you will accept this challenge and I look forward to hearing from you and comparing our results.

Thanks,.

Paul

cell 520-xxx-xxxx

Hello Paul,

Thank you for the letter.

Starting at the top, yes, sometimes I am a little emotional as I denounce frauds who kill sick people with quack medicine. That is because I care. It's sad that so few people do care anymore. The author of men's books Sam Keen talked about "the fire in the belly". Unfortunately, a lot of fires have gone out.

Now about your experiment in theology: First off, you did not define the word "God". That word means different things to different people.

For example, if "God" is the creator of the Universe, then yes, those forces exist. The Strong and Weak Nuclear forces exist, and Gravity, and Electromagnetic Energy, yes the things that created the Universe do exist.

But I don't think that is what you meant by the word "God", is it? I think you are talking about a ghost whom you believe talks back to you.

Have you ever heard the old saying, "When you talk to God, that is called prayer. When God talks back to you, that is called Schizophrenia."

What you are conducting is an experiment in self-delusion. It is easy to get yourself to imagine all kinds of things. You can repeat that same experiment and convince yourself that there really is a Devil, and that he is whispering things to you all of the time. No joke. Try it. Pretty soon you will be talking to Satan.

Also consider the fact that many people mistake their base brain talking to them for someone else talking to them, someone like a God or a Devil, or a Saint, or the Virgin Mary. Read about the base brain's jabber here: The Lizard-Brain Addiction Monster.

(Incidentally, the A.A. founder Bill Wilson imagined himself a medium who talked to Boniface the Medieval Monk, and dead sailors, and all kinds of demons and angels.)

The biggest fallacy in your thinking about God is that you are assuming that you know what God is, and that God is some kind of being who will talk to you. You said,

The critical realization was that if God is the biggest fallacy of all time, perpetrated by ....(I could not really imagine who would be the perpetrator, that was part of what led to my ultimate conclusions)....then human life has no purpose or meaning but is a cosmic accident and I am destined to culminate my life as being worm food and nothing more. If however, God does exist, then somehow connecting with and maintaining ongoing and constant communication with that God would be the most important thing any person could do.

P.S.: Please do not write to me at Google Gmail. I only use that account as a spam bucket, and letters to me there may go unread for months. Use the email address below:

*             orange@orange-papers.info        *
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*          http://www.Orange-Papers.org/      *
**     "The great unmentionable evil at the center of our culture is monotheism.
**     From a barbaric bronze-age text known as the Old Testament, three antihuman
**     religions have evolved — Judaiism, Christianity, and Islam. These are
**     sky-god religions. They are, literally, patriarchial — God is the
**     omnipotent father — hence the loathing of women for 2,000 years in those
**     countries afflicted by the sky-god and his earthly male delegates."
**       ==  Gore Vidal

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Date: Thu, January 16, 2014 8:04 am     (answered 18 January 2014)
From: Veauamil illè P.
Subject: ROFLMFAO

Such a sorely disillusioned individual. How miserable you must be, interpreting everything through the mind of a conspiracy theorist and not even enough sense to simply face reality as it is IN ANY GIVEN MOMENT and accept it for an opportunity for YOU TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE! Instead, easier to rant and rave about how thaw cultists and the conspiracists are damaging the world and brainwashing the people. It's likely that you probably ought to have been institutionalized years ago for both your safety and the safety of people around you. I pity you. But only because you are pathetic.

ROFL

Hello Veauamil,

You haven't actually said anything there. Nothing about whether quack medicine really works to cure diseases, or whether an old cult religion from the nineteen-thirties really works as a "treatment" for the "disease" of alcohol abuse.

Would you care to talk about the real issues?

I thought not.

By the way, your pseudo-spiritual slogan about "simply face reality as it is IN ANY GIVEN MOMENT and accept it for an opportunity for YOU TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE!" is exactly what I am doing with my life. I live in reality as it is, and I run a web site that warns people about the frauds and quackery that con artists are passing off as a "cure" or "treatment" for alcohol abuse and drug addiction. I hear that is making a difference.

(That kind of talk — the buzz-words about "simply face reality" and "accept an opportunity" is just what the fake guru "Werner Erhard" (real name Jack Rosenberg) sold as the "new age" philosophy that he called "est". Look here for more about him.)

Have a good day now.

== Orange

P.S.: Please do not write to me at Google Gmail. I only use that account as a spam bucket, and letters to me there may go unread for months. Use the email address below:

*             orange@orange-papers.info        *
*         AA and Recovery Cult Debunking      *
*          http://www.Orange-Papers.org/      *
**     If someone has cancer or diabetes or coronary disease,
**     we don't use a quack doctor to treat those sick people —
**     a quack whose only qualification is that he used to drink
**     too much alcohol or take too many drugs, and who is now
**     a member of a cult religion. But with the so-called
**     "disease" of addiction, the standard treatment is
**     to have former alcoholics or dopers dispensing their
**     platitudes and slogans, and insisting that "spirituality"
**     is the cure.

January 05, 2014, Sunday, Fernhill Wetlands: A Great Egret A Great Egret Gus and a friend. I'm getting confused. I'm not sure if that is Mrs Gus or not. Perhaps it isn't Mrs. Gus, perhaps she did die last spring. But maybe this female Canada Goose will be his new wife. Whichever it is, I hope he is happy. He doesn't look like he's doing too badly here. At least he has a female following him around. Gus and his friend are getting a meal of rolled oats. Now in this picture she looks more like Mrs. Gus again. (The white patch on the side of her head seems to be changing shape.) Well, either it's Mrs. Gus, or a strong look-alike. She makes me wish she could talk, so I could ask her. And the thing is, she sure is acting like Mrs. Gus. Male and female Canada Geese do not just hang out together unless they are a mated pair (or brother and sister when they are young). When you see a male and a female Canada Goose hanging out together, you can bet money that they are a mated pair. And remember that they mate for life, and they are really good at staying faithful to their mate. Far better than people. Whoever she is, let's just hope for lots of cute little goslings in a few more months. I'm getting the feeling that spring is coming early this year. It's only mid-January, and the Eagle pair are already here, and Gus and his lady are hanging out together. At this rate, we may have babies very early in the spring. [The story of the goslings continues here.]

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Date: Fri, January 17, 2014 10:56 pm     (answered 19 January 2014)
From: "No_Name."
Subject: Dude, SERIOUSLY? Chill!

I have been reading your blog against the wishes and advice of my sponsor. Your blog pisses off my sponsor and his sponsor and most of the folks in my home group too. Since it was talked about SO much I decided to have a look-see.

Gotta say two things — One, I don't completely disagree with you about AA. I have seen some scary cult like things. I am disliked by some for refusing to stop taking my Paxil and there are some who tune me out and or cough loudly when I share and I am almost never called on to share. Since I refused to stop taking my anti depressants, man. So I don't think you are one hundred percent off base, K?

Numero Dos — why all the intensity and hate? Ouch, dude, you live in Oregon man. Can't you garden or protest or do something liberal with your time? Why the focus of all your energies on AA? Seriously. I agree that some of AA is f$$$$d up but I take what works and leave the rest, just like when I publicly announced I would not stop taking my Paxil. They tried to vote me out of the home group and I just said, Fine, but this changes nothing other than what meeting I show up at. I wonder if you had stood up to AA while you were still going would you have had different results? Oh, man, I sense you are not a bad guy and mean well but ouch....I'd take the energy and focus it on something more positive, man. Just sayin'.

I'm sure you mean well though. No_Name in Arizona (please don't reveal anything about me, I got enough troubles and I don't need my new sponsor and new home group turning on me man. And A Good New Year to you BTW.

Hello No_Name,

Thanks for the letter. I'm very happy to hear that you aren't letting them control you and make you stop taking your medications. People are dying over that issue, you know. Every so often another A.A. member commits suicide after a dogmatic sponsor talks him into not taking his doctor-prescribed anti-depressants.

In case you haven't already run into them, here are the lists of related horror stories:

1. A.A. "No Meds" Stories
2. A.A. Suicides

== Orange

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*         AA and Recovery Cult Debunking      *
*          http://www.Orange-Papers.org/      *
**     If alcoholism is really a disease, then A.A. sponsors are
**     guilty of practicing medicine without a license. They are
**     also guilty of treating a life-threatening illness without
**     having any medical education or training.  They have never
**     gone to medical school, and never done an internship or
**     residency, and yet they presume to be qualified to make
**     life-or-death decisions in the patients' treatment. That
**     is what you call quackery.

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Date: Sun, January 19, 2014 5:41 pm     (answered 23 January 2014)
From: "terry"
Subject:

Thankyou for this site. It is like wakening from a bad dream.

Hello Terry,

Thanks for the thanks. And you have a good day too.

== Orange

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**     "In a room where people unanimously maintain a conspiracy
**     of silence, one word of truth sounds like a pistol shot."
**       ==  Czeslaw Milosz

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Date: Sun, January 19, 2014 10:50 pm     (answered 23 January 2014)
From: "Jay J."
Subject: the orange papers-12 biggest secrets.

I had to stop reading at the point where you spoke of aa counselors telling people to stop taking medications prescribed by doctors leading to hospitalizations or deaths.

For me, that shot a hole in your credibility. I'm ready to believe that aa is a cult or a religion, but so is allotropic medicine. I have no doubt that stopping the medications a doctor prescribes can be dangerous, I'm just not convinced that a majority of the people taking those medications wouldn't have been better off to have never started and that the problem with stopping is just one more good reason never to start. And saying that because somebody's not a doctor that they can't say things a doctor can? Sorry, there's just far too much corruption in the medical system for that to fly. Perhaps you're good at spotting aa's games because you play the same games but don't point them out to your reader?

So it's difficult to convince me the one group is an evil cult because they're getting in the way of the profits of another evil cult which also has very doubtful results.

I'm thinking you might be a doctor. I'll have to see what I can find out about you.

Jay J.

Hello Jay,

Thanks for the letter. It says a lot.

The first glaring error in your thinking was:

I'm just not convinced that a majority of the people taking those medications wouldn't have been better off to have never started and that the problem with stopping is just one more good reason never to start.

== Orange

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*          http://www.Orange-Papers.org/      *
**     Many Americans suffer from a conviction that the past has nothing
**     to teach the present. That attitude is both arrogant and stupid,
**     and it assumes that we are so special that what we are going
**     through now is completely different from anything that the human
**     race has experienced during the previous 10,000 years.

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Date: Mon, January 20, 2014 4:46 pm     (answered 23 January 2014)
From: "Peter F."
Subject: of possible interest

http://www.drcrackhead.com/dch/the-film.html

Peter Ferentzy, PhD
Scientist 1, Centre for Addiction and Mental Health
Author of Dealing With Addiction — why the 20th century was wrong
Co-Author: The History of Problem Gambling: Temperance, substance abuse, medicine, and metaphors
http://www.peterferentzy.com

Hello again, Peter,

Thanks for the link. Now that does look interesting.

And thanks for your work for compassion towards addicts and alcoholics. They are just such easy victims for demagogues and rabble-rousers. (See the signature below.)

Have a good day now.

== Orange

*             orange@orange-papers.info        *
*         AA and Recovery Cult Debunking      *
*          http://www.Orange-Papers.org/      *
**     To describe drunkenness for the colorful vocabulary
**     is rather cynical. There is nothing easier than to
**     capitalize on drunkards.
**       ==  Anton Pavlovich Chekhov (1860—1904)

January 16, 2014, Thursday, my back yard in Forest Grove: One of my back yard squirrels, just watching me and waiting for me to go away so that it can eat some more seeds. This squirrel was cussing up a storm. As I went out my front door, I heard this squirrel cussing loudly, just carrying on non-stop. The cat below was the object of the squirrel's anger. The most hated cat in Forest Grove. At least, that is what the squirrel says. Squirrel still cussing. But it isn't cussing at me. The squirrels fear me because I'm so big (compared to them), but they don't cuss at me. They know that I'm feeding them. No, that kind of anger is reserved for the cat. [The story of the goslings continues here.]

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Date: Mon, January 20, 2014 5:10 pm     (answered 23 January 2014)
From: "Richard B."
Subject: Fw: Psychoanalysis and Alcoholics Anonymous

http://www.addictioninfo.org/articles/270/1/Psychoanalysis-and-Alcoholics-Anonymous/Page1.html

Quick, somebody turn off that fog machine!
According to the French philosopher Gilles Deleuze, the central message of psychoanalysis is: Whatever you say, it means something else.

AA voodoo. Freudian voodoo. I don't know about anybody else, but the combination sends my thoughts wafting off in the direction of Cloud Cuckoo Land.

Bill Wilson's own dealings with psychiatry seem not to have been all that fruitful. Yes, he did suffer. But it's hard to feel sorry for someone who keeps yelling at you "Conformity or death!" In Arabic that's called a fatwa.

rb

Hello again, Richard,

Thanks for the link. More propaganda from the A.A. propaganda mill.

The first falsehood that stood out was this:

I have already mentioned that both AA and psychoanalysis came into being in response to forms of human suffering that appear, paradoxically, both self-induced and beyond the subject's personal control, both willed and caused, and that disrupt the physical, emotional, and spiritual well-being of their patients, and leave them both painful and pained, obnoxious and miserable (Mann, "Pain" 545).

Thanks again for the propaganda screed.

Date: Mon, January 20, 2014 6:37 pm     (answered 23 January 2014)
From: "Richard B."
Subject: Bill Wilson the mad mullah?

Hello Terrance —

Forgetful me. Only now I noticed that I'd sent you the fog-machine article on September 10 2011.

Sometimes I repeat myself myself.

No problem. I don't remember having seen it back then, so the repetition is appreciated.

While I'm at it, has anybody else ever called Bill Wilson's characteristic mode of address in the Twelve and Twelve — especially that death threat on page 174 — a fatwa? What it ISN'T, certainly, is an expression of Christian charity. I think the term applies.

Best

Richard B.

Well, it is certainly fear-mongering:

Unless each A.A. member follows to the best of his ability our suggested [Bill Wilson's required] Twelve Steps to recovery, he almost certainly signs his own death warrant. His drunkenness and dissolution are not penalties inflicted by people in authority; they result from his personal disobedience to spiritual principles [Bill Wilson's cult religion practices].
Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, William G. Wilson, page 174.

== Orange

*             orange@orange-papers.info        *
*         AA and Recovery Cult Debunking      *
*          http://www.Orange-Papers.org/      *
**    Alcoholics Anonymous and Scientology could get together and
**    do a joint venture: They can declare that alcoholism is
**    caused by interplanetary cooties — that is, by the
**    ghosts of unhappy aliens who were dumped into a volcano here
**    60 million years ago, and who are now flying around and biting
**    people and making them drink alcohol. And the cure is to give
**    all of your money to an Alcocon Treatment Center®, which
**    will perform a 12-Step exorcism and tin-can confession session
**    to help you to get rid of those bothersome ghosts, but only
**    if you really try and thoroughly follow our path.  

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